Shots fired after three bears raid rural Placer County chicken coop
Fish & Game says no bruins injured but Loomis property owner believes at least one bear hit
Three bears were shot at after rampaging through a Loomis-area chicken coop but escaped into the darkness Thursday. While a state Fish & Game Department spokesman said the adult female and two cubs were uninjured, the owner of the property off Rock Springs Road said he felt at least one of the bears had been wounded. Kyle Orr, of Fish & Game, said one of the bears had killed a chicken and the resident acted lawfully in protecting his poultry. The department won’t investigate, he said. “The resident indicated that he had shot at the bears in the trees at his residence,” Orr said. “The warden monitored the bears in the trees and there was no evidence that the bears were struck by the bullets.” Floyd Giaccani said he fired a 9 mm pistol at the bears and probably hit at least one of them – a cub that was slow to come down from a tree after the other two had done so and made noises for it to follow. Sometime overnight Thursday, it did come down, he said. Giaccani added that two birds were killed in the initial attack and a third – a prized show rooster was missing – went missing overnight Thursday after he had put it back in the coop. A hunter, Giaccani said he doesn’t believe in killing bears in the woods. “I let them go and leave them alone,” he said. “But this is a different situation. We have chickens, dogs, there is livestock in the area and what happens if my 11-year-old son is out there locking them up one evening?” Suzanne Giaccani said one of the birds killed was her pet, a hen named Chloe, while another was their son’s pet rooster, Snowball. The family has about 20 birds that are a source of income through egg sales. The neighborhood is located off Choctaw Trace, about a mile south of the Rock Spring Road-Interstate 80 crossing and about two miles from Penryn's main business area. On Oct. 19, an adult bear and two cubs were spotted in a Granite Bay neighborhood near Folsom Lake. “We didn’t think we were in bear country but now we do,” Suzanne Giaccani said. Farther into the foothills, Auburn residents have reported several visits by bears. Tim Hagerty, in the Shirland Tract area on the lip of the American River canyon south of Auburn, said a bear climbed a fence to get into his poultry coop and kill five chickens about two weeks ago. Hagerty said that he was frustrated when he contacted the state Fish and Game Department to report the incident but was told that he should get in touch with the county Animal Services Division. When he called the Animal Services Division, he was told Fish and Game should have been contacted. Kyle Orr, spokesman for Fish and Game, said Hagerty was correct in contacting his department. “We do want to know about bear activity, to ensure we’re monitoring it, even though it may not necessarily be a public safety issue,” Orr said. While Hagerty said he wasn't considering shooting the bears, he did want to let authorities know they were killing chickens on his property. Hagerty has lived in the Shirland Tract area and raised chickens for the past three years without any past incidents with bears attacking poultry. Neighbors reported in early September that his dog treed a bear at the front of his house while he was at work. “I wanted to let Fish and Game know they have a nuisance bear,” Hagerty said. “If no one reports problems to them then there is no problem. It’s gone from knocking garbage cans over to breaking in and eating chickens.” Orr said the number to call to report bears to Fish and Game in the region is 916-358-2900. The department advises that if you get a recording to phone back because there is only one line.
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You could have banged together some pots and pans.
It's more humane to shoot to kill, not just shoot "at" something. Sheesh.
Pots and pans dont do anything to a tree'd bear except send it higher up the tree. But I do agree, shooting a bear in a tree, and at that a cub "probably" wounding it and then having it run off it not a good plan either....
Btw as a hunter, there is no "probably" hit something....you either hit it or you didnt. When you actually shoot something it always leaves some type of evidence. Since there is no evidence reported, I am leaning towards a miss.
Please...unless we have been "overthrown" by chickens...the spelling should be coop not "coup"..... thank you....
Coup? Ha... good call, mcc567.
I would advise never shooting up into a tree.
There is no such thing as a "miss", ever.
Once the round is discharged it will hit something somewhere.
Never fire a gun unless you are 100% sure of what is down range and where that round is going to end up.
And don't embarass yourself by bringing a 9mm handgun to a bear fight....
Mike well said, maybe the good old Placer County Sheriff's Lieutenant learns something from your post. I was wondering why this incident of shooting up a tree was published while the shooting in Rocklin residential area is totally blacked out. Oh yes, the bear and the shooter are civilians and are not afforded cover by the press or PCSO.
ftownmember, you are correct, there is a trail left when something is hit. I vote for a miss.
I am glad that there are still people that realize the dangers of shooting a gun into the air, what goes up, must come down and anytime you have people, livestock, etc. around someone or something is being placed in jeopardy. Fortunately when you shoot up a tree an errant shot will probably hit one of the branches or the trunk, unlike when you shoot into clear blue sky.
Maybe the F&G can organize a BEAR KILL for the kids like they they tried to do for the Deer!
Isn't there another story about the 3 Bears......and Goldilocks
Wouldn't shooting up in the tree...possibly injure and hurt the leaves? Oh my!
Some mighty "hunter," that Floyd Giaccani. He wounds some bear cubs and then allows them to run off instead of tracking them down. So now they're someone else's problem - - and they're wounded to boot.
Swell "hunting" there, Floyd.
How about Mister "Big Shot" move to the city where he can shoot at robbers and gangsters instead a bunch of animals that are losing more and more of their habitat. He can raise his chickens on the balcony where they won`t be harmed. Shooting around in the dark....very very stupid!!!
"Tis the season. A bear got my breeding trio of pheasants two weeks ago. He had walked between two houses to do so. Neighbor told me that her cat was swiped at by the same bear. I try to scare them off as best I can but every once in a while we get one who has no fear. That's when we call Fish and Game. We try to remember the bears were here first.
opicat1, you're correct. You can shoot all you want in the city, at least if you work for the Sheriff's Department, then you get to keep your guns, don't get arrested and continue working like nothing happened. I forgot, you must be a Lt. or above, the average Deputy wouldn't get away with it.
"Guns are weapons in the city and tools in the country" E. Annie Proulx. Living in the country is not an "E" ride at Disneyland.
How about buying your eggs at the supermarket. They even have chicken there too. Better than shooting at a bear.
I like bears. They're cute and cuddly....and tasty too.
One word: firecrackers.
If the bears had no fear, they will.
Citidiots...the bears went into the tree because this person had already scared them from their meal. That is what bears do to escape. Shooting a bear with a 9mm is like shooting a person with a BB gun. If the bear really was aggressive, it would've gotten really pissed off that someone harmed it's cub and ripped an arm off before they could get away (momma bear's are fast when they want to be). There is a firearm round made for bear aversion...it is made out of rubber and fired from a shotgun. They work pretty well on bears (and Palestinian rioters). Cops up in the basin use them regularly when the bears break into homes, cars and businesses. So far, I haven't heard of any bears up there bothering with people who just scared them away.
So..as the bears are trying to find food for the long winter, we can expect more. Oh...and Mountian Lions as well. The turkeys and deer will be out in force as the weather cools and behind them will be the Mountain Lions. Don't try a 9 mm on a lion...it really will rip your arm off, before scopping out the warm goodies. And don't bother calling Fish and Game because your dog or cat went missing and you are worried about your child; lions are protected and... they just want a mouth full of warm turkey or deer. They will go away when they are full.
Loomisresident is obsessed with the sheriffs department. Did something happen to you loomis? Were you rejected as an applicant or something. I like how you spin the story back to the PCSD. You have problems bub. I know, I know, go ahead and spin it back to me with your usual rhetoric of why I only comment on stories of the sheriffs department. Not true, but in your case it is. One word, therapy.
harleyrider,
As it sounds like you are well aware, any discharge of a Law Enforcement Officers gun is scrutinized by the department they represent. Had a LEO fired his handgun up into a tree at a bear he'd be sweeping out jailcells for the rest of his career.
Loomis.....tell us the whole story or knock it off.
Mike grubber and harleyrider, as per the information provided by Channel 10 a Lt Savage from the PCSO substation in Loomis went outside his residence at approximately 9:43 PM on October 8, 2009. He was dressed in pajama bottoms and tank top, stood on his driveway and fired five or six shots into the air. One neighbor actually witnessed the deed, there were numerous calls to 911 and five Rocklin Police Officers were dispatched. Apparently the Lt identified himself and his guns were not confiscated nor was he arrested. He has not been placed on Administrative Leave and apparently PCSO is not investigating. The news have been completely blacked out by the Auburn Journal. One of the neighbors stated during the interview that there was another incident involving the Lt. earlier this year, not surprisingly the neighbor did not want to be identified.
So Harley, what do we have here? A ticking time bomb with a gun? I know that you will cover PCSO under all circumstances but this one is pretty hard. What would the good Lt. do if he were sent to a call of shots fired in a residential area? Come on Harley. And no, I was never interested in law enforcement. One word, rather two, apologist or groupie, you are definitely one or the other, possibly both
My problem with PCSO has been their inefficiency in dealing with crimes committed on my property, all they did was to provide a report number to submit to the insurance company. Even had a long conversation with the Sheriff at that time,
Mike grubber and harleyrider, as per the information provided by Channel 10 a Lt Savage from the PCSO substation in Loomis went outside his residence at approximately 9:43 PM on October 8, 2009. He was dressed in pajama bottoms and tank top, stood on his driveway and fired five or six shots into the air. One neighbor actually witnessed the deed, there were numerous calls to 911 and five Rocklin Police Officers were dispatched. Apparently the Lt identified himself and his guns were not confiscated nor was he arrested. He has not been placed on Administrative Leave and apparently PCSO is not investigating. The news have been completely blacked out by the Auburn Journal. One of the neighbors stated during the interview that there was another incident involving the Lt. earlier this year, not surprisingly the neighbor did not want to be identified.
So Harley, what do we have here? A ticking time bomb with a gun? I know that you will cover PCSO under all circumstances but this one is pretty hard. What would the good Lt. do if he were sent to a call of shots fired in a residential area? Come on Harley. And no, I was never interested in law enforcement. One word, rather two, apologist or groupie, you are definitely one or the other, possibly both
My problem with PCSO has been their inefficiency in dealing with crimes committed on my property, all they did was to provide a report number to submit to the insurance company. Even had a long conversation with the Sheriff at that time,
harleyrider, the good old Sheriff was having a hard time staying awake, apparently crimes were of no concern to him. Thanks to a neighbor that took a license plate number and a now retired neighbor that was a CHP I had no trouble finding the perpetrator and recouping the losses caused by his son and friends.
So yes, perhaps I have a bias against PCSO out of their own doing and when I see something like this being covered up it bothers me. Just another corrupt act by a corrupt County government.
And as long as the cover up continues I will continue to bring it up to the light. I really don't care what you think, your gun and your badge cannot silence any citizen from saying what is true and highly publicized outside this little corrupt County. Maybe you want to make some points and show these posts to Adam 1.
Have a great evening, there, something to talk about at muster or whatever you call it tomorrow.
Let me know when the retirement party is going to be, I would like to send a gift.
MikeGruber, you might want to read a little more of the local news before you pipe off.... we are still waiting for them to release the name, and a follow up story/investigation report for an "illegal discharge of firearms". Well, at least thats what they would call it if I did it......
Wow. You need some therapy for that anger loomis. Yeah, I'm sure PCSO wields the power to cause news blackouts. Did you know they can also plant microchips in your brain? Follow you by satellite? Make your houseplants conspire against you? Mike, loomis is a bit off. Always has been. I don't know the specifics on the ALLEGED shooting by the LT. I imagine loomis has no idea if the Lt was being investigated. I imagine he wasn't arrested or a crime report wasn't written because....there may not be a crime? Has anyone (yes, I'm talking to you loomis) spoken to the witness? Has a witness ever been mistaken? Could a media outlet be wrong? Oh, and how did you find the LT.'s identity loomis? I don't remember anything published, oh I know, you have an obsession. Frankly you scare me.
Loomis,
I didn't hear anything about it.
It's up to the Department to handle it now.
I have had nothing but good experiences with the Placer County Sheriff Department. They have there hands full these days with a revolving door judicial system and financial uncertainty. I support them 100% for the tough job they do everyday that most of us take for granted. Can they be everywhere and do everything.....no, so I think your experience might be the exception, not the rule. And I could be wrong....you may have just verbally insulted them beyond all comprehension and they served you a cold burger, but what do I know.
ftownmember,
release the name?....didn't loomis finally do that after my asking for the whole story?
I turned off my TV back in November 08'. There is something to be said for the sound of silence.
What is the "news" anyway? Oooppps....there I go again "piping off"....
Sorry. Will you please tell me everything I need to know?
With no TV or newspaper I am really a stupid guy these days.....
harley, you must be the type of cop that carries and untraceable gun to plant on dead suspects. Harley, you want to cover up this incident, pure and simple, perhaps you are the Lt.
The name was published by Channel 10 yet nothing has been said in Placer County. Even Rockholm's and Uhlers indiscretions have merited some print, yet this incident does not.
The neighbors, one of whom actually saw the Lt. do the shooting and another were interviewed and also sent posts to Ch. 10 web site. Neither wanted to be identified for fear of retribution. You haven't answered my question Harley. What would the Lt. do if he were dispatched to handle the same situation? Don't skirt the issue, just show some honesty and never forget that untraceable gun, you never know when it will be needed.
Harley, I'm not off, I just want to see the proper thing done. Every thing I have said or posted has been reported by Ch. 10, if you have a problem with that, take it up with them. Oh Harley, the witness may be wrong. If I see a person in my neighbors driveway one thing will be for sure, I know whether it is the neighbor or not, of course unless the person is totally deaf the shots are easy to hear. Tell me why anyone in their right mind would go out in the front of their house, in a residential area and purposely and for no apparent reason put their neighbors property and life at risk by shooting live ammo into the air. Please respond. Insults show lack of intelligence.
Mike, if you read my other posts you will see that I support the rank and file. The incidents that I'm referring to happened way back on 1990 and 1996 respectively. I reported them, I had to go to the dubstation, since they sent some volunteer to make the report. No interest in getting firgerprints or pursuing an investigation. The Sheriif at the time, now retired, was about as unresponsive as they come. No interest whatsoever. I don't normally insult people, specially when I have a complaint. If PCSO serves cold hamburgers to anyone that has ever had a valid complaint then the Department as a whole is not worth the money spent on them.
The problem, as I see it is that the Department told one of the neighbors that there was no investigation taking place and the Lt. has not been placed on Admin. Leave. The neighbors are a bit concerned about this possible time bomb (their words), according to them there was another incident at the Lt. house earlier this year. Is the third incident going to be the one in which someone gets hurt or killed? That's anyone's guess.
As far as the present Sheriff, he has not been able to work within his budget since he was elected, his only duties seem to be throwing his support for people running for office and asking for more money from the BOS. I don't think the rank and file of PCSO are to blame, it is the management that needs help IMHO.
How did this story get owned by loomisresident? The guy is out there.
wow did that get off topic??? Fired a 9mm ?? A shot gun with rock salt is a little more appropriate for these situations. Less likely to cause injury to the animals but enough to scare them off.
Fish & Game sucks. That phone number quoted in the article justs goes to a dead end recording.
They were probably on their Furlough Friday
Vicmarrkey. He's a bubble shy of center. Just because I support the uniform he assumes I wear one and now henthinks I carry an untracable gun. He thinks placer is the NSA. The paranoia is laughable. He owns these all the time. It could have been a story of trimming roses and somehow he would turn it into a conspiracy perpetrated by the sheriffs department. $10 bucks says hebhasba tin foil hat on now. I should just ignore his crazy rantings about being angry with the cops for stuff that's 10-20 years old but it's just too much fun to see what this crazy old man all write next.
Loomis...
836. (a) A peace officer may arrest a person in obedience to a
warrant, or, pursuant to the authority granted to him or her by
Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2,
without a warrant, may arrest a person whenever any of the following
circumstances occur:
(1) The officer has probable cause to believe that the person to
be arrested has committed a public offense in the officer's presence.
(2) The person arrested has committed a felony, although not in
the officer's presence.
(3) The officer has probable cause to believe that the person to
be arrested has committed a felony, whether or not a felony, in fact,
has been committed.
..that "cold burger" I mentioned may not have been a burger at all, perhaps a scoop of vanilla ice cream.
You may have ordered the Double-Decker Cheese burger, by telling the police to go down the street and kick in a guys door and arrest him but perhaps 836 prevented to police from doing that so they wouldn't get sued....so they took a report. And as shorted as you feel I think they did the right thing....otherwise anyone could call up and use the police as a tool of harrassment. It's tried everyday, I'd guess hourly.
Without 836, and if the police had to believe and act on your words alone, you could just send the police into unjustified situations based on a personal conflict you might be having with someone.
I've been told, "there's nothing we can do", and they were right.
Mike grubber, I never told anyone to go kick anyone's door down. What are you talking about? If you are referring to me finding out who broke into my house, that happened after I had contacted the Sheriff and they had done nothing but send some old guy to take a report so he could give me the report number to give to the Insurance Company. The actions that were taken afterwards were by me talking to the parents of the kid that owned the truck. I told them what had transpired, the amount of damage, etc. They fortunately were decent people and got all the remaining information from their kid, the parents of those that damaged our house did pay for all repairs and we did not have to turn it into our insurance company, they would have gone after them and possibly pushed for prosecution also. I appreciate your information even if it is 19 years late. The one thing I must remind you is that I am entitled to my opinion and as such I will express it when I deem necessary. I am glad that all your contacts with PCSO have been to your satisfaction, personally I would prefer not to have the need for their assistance. As a taxpayer if I ever do, I will call them, if they do a good job I will praise them, if they don't I will say so. As a reminder, a lot of folks are arrested based on information provided by witnesses and other evidence, by the way, the Placer Herald, Rocklin's own newspaper did carry the story and named the perpetrator.
Have a great day
Loomisresident; We have not heard from nicklbag.I think he has changed his name.There are too many little statements that are made that nicklbag use to say alot in his blogs. " Coincidence" I bet not!
So you read and understand 836?
You understand why it is in place?
You understand why a report was taken and not a sweep of the neighborhood?
..and the name is Gruber, your manipulation of that gives a good indication of your general disposition which might
shed some light into the very topic at hand and your position in it.
I do not understand your views on the PCSO and the story you have related does not justify the launching a
conspriacy of corruption scandle. IMHO, way over the top Loomis.
Today is Monday. Is Fish & Game taking Furlough Mondays now?
comnonsenseworks.....I'm still here. What makes you think I'm a man? I won't be changing my name. But thanks for updating everyone about me. Keep paying close attention. I was actually able to post some comments without you noticing. Let me know your doctor's name so I can tell him (or her) that the new meds aren't working. Who were you stalking before me?
Nicklbag ;Maybe I was wrong (SORRY)You said on one blog on how you were a 45 year old man and wanted to wait in some childs room to see if the mother would come in naked. Remember you said you would not come over unless she was hot.Remember? I'm sure you do .Remember you said you don't want to be safe.I'm not stalking you in anyway,i"m doing my job! Have a great day!
commonsenseworks is a FREAKO.
19 years ago loomis? Let it go man. Just let it go . It'll all be okay. There's help out four you dude. You just gotta reach out for it. Good luck on your search for inner peace my angry little man.
Mike and harley. Just let me make something clear. I don't have any animosity towards the average Deputy, they do the best they can and have no control of where they are dispatched to. Just check my posts in the past where I have stood up for them. My problem is with an alleged crime that if it had been a common citizen would have resulted in a very different outcome. Yes I do have a problem with the management of PCSO and how it is handling this alleged incident.
Mike, I did not mean to change your name, I really thought it was spelled with two b, I apologize for that. You are most certainly allowed to have an opinion, just like I have mine. Yes it bother me that the treatment of this person has been much different than it would have been for a private citizen, yes it bothers me that the treatment for this person has been way different than the treatment afforded the average Deputy or civilian employee of PCSO and yes it bother me that the top management of PCSO doesn't seem interested in even investigating this matter. It also bothers me that I have to get news from my area from Sacramento sources.
Last but not least, the incident at my house was not committed by neighbors, the kids actually lived in Rocklin and found a secluded place to party and cause destruction. I wasn't asking anyone to go kicking in doors, just to take enough of an interest to try to get fingerprints, etc Do I blame the Deputies for the lack of interest? Absolutely NO. I blame those in charge.
You guys are too funny! I don`t want to start anything, but the AUburn PD is much worse than the PCSO....They are simply useless!! I know what it`s like to experience injustice and feel victimized, but payback is a bitch and Karma never fails. That`s just one woman`s opinion.